tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post2938812363147668366..comments2024-02-27T02:14:14.789-06:00Comments on Keith Lango Animation: Fantastic!Keith Langohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12496328772372705317noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-76248522802464632472011-07-19T05:09:45.421-05:002011-07-19T05:09:45.421-05:00I do belive that religion in itself is belief on o...I do belive that religion in itself is belief on our purpouse on earth and where we come from. I dont mind that. However I dont very much favor organized religion as it can be used with political agendas, and very much so in the past, have been used by (mostly) men in power to achieve private goals or agendas. But that is the same with all people in power. If you get rotten eggs there that manage to get support for their actions, you get bad stuff happening. It's the same with bad politicians.<br /><br />I might be naive, but if you teach people to mutually respect differencies as long as they dont hurt the guy next to you, you'd get a long way to make people less inclined to go do bad things for someone who think it's a good idea.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-39723015227135594712011-07-18T20:19:46.423-05:002011-07-18T20:19:46.423-05:00So you think that religion is just a belief on wha...So you think that religion is just a belief on what created the universe? You need to be more cynical. If it was just that, it would be roughly the same as reading a fantasy book.<br /><br />The problem is that these religious people start making things harder for the rest of humanity, they go to war, they kill, etc - all for something irrational. Do you truly believe we can "live happily together" with such people?<br /><br />You are conveniently ignoring thousands of years of history of religion.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-74907152620682158092011-07-18T20:07:28.256-05:002011-07-18T20:07:28.256-05:00To some people like yourself it might seem insane ...To some people like yourself it might seem insane if you're that througfully convinced. I dont know. A god or thinking creating force if you will (whoever created that boggles me the most - where does he come from, something that can't be answered unless it's answered with the sceptical - narcissistic man created god to his own image) seems as plausible as a big bang or a combination of the two. The thing is, as insane it may seem to you, there's a lot of people who watch the world around us and ourselves as being something that must have been created by something intelligent in itself. They call that evidence, and therefore it's not wasted time for them to belive it. What's truly wasted time is discussing who's right as long as we can happily live along with our disagreement. That's all I want to do without stepping on anyones toes about it in the process.<br /><br />Best wishes in the future.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-65752328581336409782011-07-18T17:49:04.963-05:002011-07-18T17:49:04.963-05:00God can't be proven, nor can he be disproven.
...God can't be proven, nor can he be disproven.<br /><br />God is just as insane a concept as Russell's Teapot.<br /><br />There's an infinite number of things you can believe. Before I can believe in something, I ask for evidence that such a thing is real. If there is no evidence, there's still infinitely many things I can believe, hence, it makes no sense to waste time on that particular one.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-9697007183780565382011-07-18T17:41:39.205-05:002011-07-18T17:41:39.205-05:00In slightly different words and much shorter.
God...In slightly different words and much shorter.<br /><br />God can't be proven, nor can he be disproven. That doesn't mean that he exist, or does exist. This is the whole concept of believing. There's some more or less well worked out arguments on that he would exist. The concept of intelligent design is one of them. Against we have arguments that goes, just because it can't be disproven doesnt mean that it is actually true.<br /><br />All arguments that are formed on beliefs and can't be proven.<br /><br />To believe that just "we" are right and a lot of other people are wrong is not stupidity, but vanity. This works both ways. Set aside the vanity and respect people for what they are and judge people on how they act towards their fellow people instead of based on their beliefes and we might come out with a different point of view towards different cultures/customs and most of all people.<br /><br />Beliefs don't hurt people. If one belive in God or Santa Claus, it doesn't hurt others. If one doesn't belive in God or Teapots in the sky, that doesn't hurt people either. Intolerance fundamentalists or extremists hurt both individuals and societies as a whole because they have no way of seeing beyond their own beliefs. So why not respect a person by his or hers actions and not his or hers believes.mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-11896368925383272892011-07-18T17:29:47.375-05:002011-07-18T17:29:47.375-05:00I know how they think. I know what they do. I know...I know how they think. I know what they do. I know their mob mentality. I know how they get together and make it difficult for the rest of humanity to go about their business. That's religion, and whatever you might think, their effect on the world is extremely negative. It's obvious, from the Catholic Church aiding rapists to Scientology ruining people lives.<br /><br />A rational view of the universe is required to continue on to the future. We are all imperfect animals, but some of us are slightly more evolved.<br /><br />It's a requirement for the survival of man that religion disappears.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-30354254599442609202011-07-18T16:36:24.490-05:002011-07-18T16:36:24.490-05:00I start to see discussing with you being pointless...I start to see discussing with you being pointless as you seem to be stuck with the "religion is a delusion that could be cured going to a shrink" argument. I tried to convey how "they" think.<br /><br />If you read the bible (which I assume you didn't as you see it as made up gibberish) it says that in the end of days people will be intolerant (2 Peter 3:3 - had to look it up, there are similar passages). Imagine this: If you firmly belive in the bible, how would you react to people like yourself who critizise people by bombarding their belives with arguments that would appear as an insult to the belief?<br /><br />Another example. How did the bittish people in the big cities react to the daily bombings during the second world war?<br /><br />One answer, the kept close together firmly confident to not give up by each day.<br /><br />I'm just trying to explain why its pointless to go on as you do. You might get further with respect for peoples opinions without agreeing with them. You won't agree with all peoples opinions but you might learn something from people that you would have otherwise never had any relation to.<br /><br />If you all you can do is go on with "all religion is delusion. Go see a psychologist." then you'd most likely be seen as nutty as you see the religious person. And I'd probably agree with you as you'd come off as a very intolerant and disrespectful person not an ounce better than the most fundamentalist religious people.<br /><br />My own background if it matters:<br />I dont know what I believe in. Big bang and a God seems to be equally valid ways of explaining creation. I do not belive in the Bible, though it contains some good advice on how to get along with people. I grew up with a family that is very strict into their religion but decided to leave that organization when I became 25. We get along fine with mutual respect, except for my sister who I haven't spooken with in years due to this.<br /><br />I do belive that religion can be good for some people. There's unbiased scientifical research that also proves that - which isn't a sursprise as most persons are somewhat social beings and religion can give some a place. But if one is not comfortable with his or her life in a religion, then there is time for changes.<br /><br />You're also free to disagree with me. I'm happy at least that we still have this constitutional freedom of choice in many countries.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-55488409395509749322011-07-17T17:12:47.972-05:002011-07-17T17:12:47.972-05:00"Your intolerance is a sign of the end of day..."Your intolerance is a sign of the end of days and better things to come"<br /><br />Oh, for a minute there I thought you were being serious. Guess not.<br /><br />Repeat after me: all religion is delusion. Go see a psychologist.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-56813660387743807832011-07-17T16:13:47.693-05:002011-07-17T16:13:47.693-05:00As a sidenote, cheers for your work at Valve Keith...As a sidenote, cheers for your work at Valve Keith. Glad that it's inspiering!Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-37229649025777886672011-07-17T16:12:29.193-05:002011-07-17T16:12:29.193-05:00I'd tolerate it as much as I'd tolerate an...I'd tolerate it as much as I'd tolerate and respect the person that I talked to that stubbornly sustained the belief that mankind has not stepped it's foot on the moon. I try my best to respect people for their opinions and beliefs, and in turn I expect them to respect me for having mine. I do not neccisarly agree with them though.<br /><br />By the way, are you aware that intolerance will probably only make christians stronger in their beliefs as it is said that people in the end of days will be intolerant to religion. Your intolerance is a sign of the end of days and better things to come.<br /><br />I'm not saying that you shouldn't have a right to express your opinion. I'd die for that right, just as much as I'd die for the right to belive in whatever you would like to belive in. Just make sure you earn that right by express your opinions in a way that it will not disrespect others. As a paradox I do belive that's the only way we could go on living in multicultural societies in this globalized world without tearing ourselfes to peices.<br /><br />Apologies for bad grammar. English is not my native language.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-88354881969031028262011-07-16T22:14:55.780-05:002011-07-16T22:14:55.780-05:00Matt: do you also tolerate people who believe in S...Matt: do you also tolerate people who believe in Santa Claus? There's no difference between the two and no need to "tolerate" irrational behavior.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-12961683491352981652011-07-16T22:12:02.485-05:002011-07-16T22:12:02.485-05:00I generally don't favor organized religion - b...I generally don't favor organized religion - been there, it wasn't for me. But what really scares me as much as fundamentalist christians, muslims is the intolerance of Andres N. Kievsky and people like you. Noones need to agree with anyone in their beliefs, but as soon as you show a compleate lack of respect for opinions and/or personal beliefs you start to be up there with the worst fundamentalists in religion.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-58793639607401144302010-07-08T22:06:12.930-05:002010-07-08T22:06:12.930-05:00That's a very offensive view of Muslims Andres...That's a very offensive view of Muslims Andres.(or I guess not a politically correct viewpoint to you) Let me be clear, I don't approve of any type of Extremists. Not Christian extremist views, not Muslim extremist views, and most importantly to this discussion, not Atheist extremist views. I mean really, you know I have muslim friends who are from the middle east. One time one was 15 minutes late to meeting up with me. I thought nothing of it at the time, but in light of your evidence for why all Muslims shouldn't be respected for their beliefs and are stuck in the 12th century, I should have known he was probably stoning his wife or possibly planning to fly a plane into a building right? That had to be the reason, right, he was Muslim? That's what all Muslims do, right?<br /><br />And you are really going to critique my grammar, really? You say I haven't explained myself with facts. You want me to explain why I don't believe in God to prove I'm an Atheist, Andres? Oh wait, I'm pretty sure I will make a couple of typos in explaining myself. I guess my viewpoint on why there isn't a God should be trusted at all then, right? I guess since my viewpoint is 100 percent wrong, I guess we can infer from that, God does exist. You got the proof here first, undeniable facts right in front of your eyes, Andres. Report to your local church this Sunday, man. Well that's a wrap everybody can go home.<br /><br />And here's my email jodimation@gmail.comLampshadeManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02581194709626935976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-90474728781378773022010-07-08T21:27:04.105-05:002010-07-08T21:27:04.105-05:00Your cheap psychoanalysis is a poor as your gramma...Your cheap psychoanalysis is a poor as your grammar, LampshadeMan - and I don't have your email. Dunno where you supposedly left it, but it's not in this comments section.<br /><br />As for the rest of your comments, yawn. I grow tired of your incessant crying. It's easy to criticise me because I say what I think and it's all out in the open. A lot easier than actually dealing with the facts, which you still haven't replied to. In the end, you are just criticising me for not following your politically correct guidelines.<br /><br />Let me say it once again: it's up to religious people to show that their explanation of the world is the correct one. That's how science work. Go read The God Delusion, or any other serious books on the matter.<br /><br />Also, you have made quite a few nasty syntactic mistakes; how can anyone respect your opinions if you can't even string together a few lines without disrespecting your language? Seriously, if you are not smart enough to figure out how to write properly (and I say this as a person whose maternal language is not English,) how can your opinions on more important matters (such as theological delusions) be trusted at all?<br /><br />Again, you are shocked by my lack of respect about what you consider a respect-worthy behaviour. Let's go through this once again: just because a lot of people think something is one way doesn't mean it can't be challenged; and you are thinking black/white by stubbornly refusing to admit that someone can find religion insulting - surely we can all get along nicely and throw flowers at each other whilst reading the New Testicle, right?<br /><br />Interesting that you brought the Perl 6 example here, since it's pretty much the same broken groupthink that killed the project: religious dogmatism. As for the rest, you are right: you are not a programmer and you have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. But if you so choose, please, go ahead and study the issue and we'll discuss it.<br /><br />I have no interest in your blog, but feel free to read and comment in mine, I couldn't care less for a few lost pageviews.<br /><br />No, I don't respect religion or religious people. And I'm not the only one who doesn't.<br /><br />Just a small example: I don't respect Muslims. They are stuck in the 12th century, throwing rocks at women who had the audacity of cheating on their husbands. I'm sure that in your mind even these extreme religious nutcases are worthy of respect, right? If not, where do you draw the line? Think about it, ffs.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-9990981117706687262010-07-08T21:04:07.657-05:002010-07-08T21:04:07.657-05:00Seriously Andres? I told you you could email me. K...Seriously Andres? I told you you could email me. Keith's going to get off of work or whenever he checks his blog and he's going to wonder why he has like 20 new comments. <br /><br />I'm just going to say this. You appear to see the world as black and white, right or wrong. It appears it frightens and terrifies you to know somebody doesn't share the same exact to the "T" beliefs as you. Does that make you question your own beliefs because somebody, who appears normal just like you, doesn't share your point of view? You have to come up with something to reconcile that, don't you? <br /><br />You've come to the rational conclusion that there isn't a God, so how could Keith who appears to have 2 eyes and a brain come to the idea that there is a God? Well of course, Keith must be dillusional and not using any logic and reasoning on this particular issue to believe in something as crazy and magical as fairies or Frosty the snowman. That has to be it, right? There just can't be another answer, right? <br /><br />How can somebody who doesn't believe in God think that people have a fundamental right to make their own interpetation of the world and shouldn't be discriminated for sharing those beliefs? Since you don't think that should be allowed and you are an Atheist then obviously I can't be an atheist then, right. I've got to be pretending to be one. That has to be it, right? There just can't be another answer, right? <br /><br />I'm not a programmer and I don't know anything about about the programming language, Perl 6. Maybe you are justified in what they have done against you. I haven't read what they think on the issue or their comments to you. However, don't you think it's at the very least interesting that on a 3rd issue, that a group of people who happen think a certain way( ie think Perl 6 is a valid programming language) don't much appreciate your input or edit your comments on their blog? How can anybody as smart as you not see that Perl 6 is no good. The only way to reconcile that they are insincere. They know deep down inside that they "are doing a disservice to what little remains of the Perl community" That has to be it, right? There just can't be another answer, right? <br /><br />Feel free to go thru my blog if you choose, I'm not trying to make fun of you by reading or pulling quotes from your blog. Just trying to put what you say into perspective to help you man. I guess I did kind of say you could email me if you want or the best route is we should probably just agree to disagree, I don't really have much more to say on the subject matter to convince you and I'll tell you I'm not going to change my stance on the issue regardless of what you say or what books you recommend but the offer still stands. But I'm really not going to respond on comments section here anymore. Sorry Keith for spamming up your blog. I guess it's my fault for starting the conversation over again. I probably should have keep my mouth shut to begin with. Sorry.LampshadeManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02581194709626935976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-63673965452240066822010-07-08T18:57:50.328-05:002010-07-08T18:57:50.328-05:00It's really up to you to show there isn't ...<i>It's really up to you to show there isn't a God because you want people of faith to believe as you do.</i><br /><br /><b>No, that's not how science works. Their deity is a theory that supposedly explains many natural phenomena. They have to back it up with evidence. It's up to them.<br /><br />Once again you fail. And no, you are no Atheist - you are pretending to be one.<br /><br />I suggest you read (at the very least) The God Delusion by Mr. Dawkins.</b>Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-47450646604679313292010-07-08T12:38:39.894-05:002010-07-08T12:38:39.894-05:00You keep saying I'm not an Atheist? Is there s...You keep saying I'm not an Atheist? Is there some group or membership dues that I need to pay to become an Atheist? I really didn't get the memo. Is there free food at the meetings?<br /><br />Well I was using Newton and Einstein as an analogy, which I thought you would understand. It just so happens to be scientific related in a discussion about God and science. That's purely coincidental. What I mean is you can't determine the validity of a theory by criticizing another theory.<br /><br />It's really up to you to show there isn't a God because you want people of faith to believe as you do. As long as they aren't trying to persuade you to believe in a God, I really don't see why they should have to prove to you that there is a God?<br /><br />But look man, we could dissect each others comments and find logical fallacies to the cows come home, I'm sure you will rightfully find many in this one. I don't claim to be the master of logic. In any event, I don't think either of us is going to change our stance on this particular issue. Keith gave you an email to discuss things with him. For that matter, if you want to email me, sure I don't care.LampshadeManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02581194709626935976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-78507924942943664092010-07-08T11:43:10.982-05:002010-07-08T11:43:10.982-05:00Let me put it another way: how ridiculous a random...Let me put it another way: how ridiculous a random belief is has nothing to do with the number of people that believe it.<br /><br />This goes for religion, and for anything else. You can't use the "number of believers" reasoning - it's a fallacy.<br /><br />Fact: it's up to the proponents (religious people) to show that their gods exist.<br /><br />Fact: they cannot show it, they have absolutely no evidence.<br /><br />Conclusion: There are no deities, and thinking that way is totally ridiculous, as shown over and over again.<br /><br />And ridiculous beliefs in adults are to be mocked and dismissed with a snort - or whatever you do when someone tells you he/she believes to be Napoleon. There is no difference. Why is it so hard for you to see it?Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-59334477688358003542010-07-08T11:33:50.314-05:002010-07-08T11:33:50.314-05:00Comparing a belief system that millions follow to ...<i>Comparing a belief system that millions follow to fairies or Santa Clause which at best children under 7 believe in is an insult.</i><br /><br /><b>And that's a little part of why you are mistaken. How hard you believe in something doesn't make it less or more true; and basing your life, your belief system on something like that, is beyond insane, stupid and un-evolved. Just like believing in Santa, or wanting kids to believe in it. Also, it doesn't matter how many people follow it - false/truth has nothing to do with amount of people who believe in something. Once again, you fail.<br /><br />But you brought a valid point: kids have enough imagination of their own; only idiots need to lie to kids about a magic Santa or a magic God.<br /><br />There is NOTHING especially different about Christianity or any other religion in comparison to random beliefs like Santa; if you can't see that, you've been brainwashed by religion, like a whole lot of people.</b><br /><br /><i>Einstein can't claim that Newton was wrong about gravity and leave it at that and expect a Nobel Peace Prize.</i><br /><br /><b>Are you comparing religious nutcases to Newton?? No, you are definitely not an Atheist. Good try, though. </b><br /><br /><b>Also, from now on, you will refer to me as <i>Mr. Kievsky, Almighty Ruler</i>. I will only answer to that magical incantation.</b>Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-47455789501580031482010-07-08T10:31:17.880-05:002010-07-08T10:31:17.880-05:00Oh wow, didn't know there was some test for es...Oh wow, didn't know there was some test for establishing an Atheist other than not believing in God or that I could be a Protestant Atheist. There's a certain kind of irony in that. Seems to me you think that a world with only Atheists in it won't have many of the problems that religions has, namely that people are persecuted for having different beliefs. How exactly is that going to go away if someday people don't believe in God anymore, Andres? <br /><br />First a healthy debate would consist of establishing why your theory can explain things correctly not why your opponent's doesn't or why his sucks. It's not only insulting, it lacks a certain kind of logic in and of itself. Saying Religion is random is an insult. Regardless of what definition of random you are using, the layman's term or the scientific version which only holds for a specific set of subatomic phenomenon, how does that describe religion? At least my reason for not believing in God isn't that the various religions are random belief systems. Comparing a belief system that millions follow to fairies or Santa Clause which at best children under 7 believe in is an insult. "I killed Jesus...he deserved to die" How's that part of a legitimate debate? Einstein can't claim that Newton was wrong about gravity and leave it at that and expect a Nobel Peace Prize. He's got to show that his theory of gravity is the best way to explain it regardless. This is independent of what Newton's theory of gravity state. He might as well imagine that Newton never even had a theory of gravity, as the incorrectness of that theory doesn't help him prove his own theory. That's a tactic politicians use. The other guy did such and such so if he's unqualified for the position obviously that means I must be qualified for the job.<br /> <br />But I guess the basic problem is Keith never started a discussion on the existence of God. Keith never said you are going to hell for not believing in God or working on Sunday or whatever. I haven't seen any of that from any of the people of religious faith who have posted thus far. But you claim him and others to be less evolved, stupid and a "problem" for believing in God. To me I find that as dangerous as someone who believes I'm a "problem" for not believing in God. I'm not saying you are going to harm religious people or anything like that, I don't know you, but don't you see you are using the same kind of flawed logic you claim some religious people have used against you?LampshadeManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02581194709626935976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-19064521383385228732010-07-08T08:54:36.971-05:002010-07-08T08:54:36.971-05:00"Andres, you must be a real hit at parties......<i>"Andres, you must be a real hit at parties.... or have you noticed folks dont seem to invite you anymore? hehe...."</i><br /><br /><b>BEST. COMMENT. EVER.</b>Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-67796547708515730592010-07-08T07:05:37.820-05:002010-07-08T07:05:37.820-05:00Andres, you must be a real hit at parties.... or h...Andres, you must be a real hit at parties.... or have you noticed folks dont seem to invite you anymore? hehe....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-2772543904768430592010-07-08T04:50:08.889-05:002010-07-08T04:50:08.889-05:00LampshadeMan, where do I start?
If you can't ...LampshadeMan, where do I start?<br /><br />If you can't see the difference between a random belief and the universe as we have figured out it works so far (as scientifically shown), then I'm not so sure what sort of Atheist you are. In fact, your arguments don't look Atheistic to me at all. You are not concerned with logic, you are worried about "insulting" other people with our discussions. If a person tells me that he believes I'm going to go to hell for eating pork in Shabbat or during Ramadan, who is insulting whom?<br /><br />Let me explain this for you. There's absolutely nothing wrong in discussing random delusions that people regard as religious beliefs; the only people who want to stop that are the religious bigots who, in the spirit of Galileo's torturers, cannot stand having their base of power and oppression attacked.<br /><br />As for the bible, I've read it quite a few times - mostly the Old Testicle, since I come from a Jewish background. If you want to try something difficult, try debating a Chassidic Jew. They've been doing it for thousands of years.<br /><br />Note that it's mostly Protestant Christians that assume Atheists haven't read or are somehow unaware of their lovely book. So I'm going out on a limb here and I'm going to assume you are Protestant, since their entire delusion is based on reprinting their book. It's easier for you to categorize me as an ignorant than to actually respond to my arguments with a modicum of sense. And if you have any intelligence at all, you'll realize that a loving god would never do (for instance) what he did to Job, or let poor old Moses reach Israel. I don't want to start a theological discussion, though. But please, enlighten me - and show me how you handle all the contradictions in your doctrine.<br /><br />As for the statement, there's something you need to know right now - I have to take it off my chest. <b>I killed Jesus</b>. It was me and my family. We did it because he wouldn't shave or cut his hair. We are not sorry - he deserved to die.<br /><br />So sue me.Andres N. Kievskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265331700609152907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-16313688604403268962010-07-07T22:57:37.430-05:002010-07-07T22:57:37.430-05:00Andres, do you not see the inherent danger in assu...Andres, do you not see the inherent danger in assuming people that have different beliefs are stupid, less evolved and a danger to society for having those beliefs? I believe these were the grounds for a lot of religious, racial, political persecution in the past.<br /><br />I also didn't bring up Keith use of the crosses for you to criticize it or understand how he's hypocritical for using it. However I'm pretty sure as a man of "reason" you like to use facts to make statements, no? Besides blaming an entire group of religious people for the actions of the few religious people that killed Jesus, which is slightly disturbing in an anti-Semitic way, I'm just going to point out that Keith's a Christian. I never thought I'd do this, but I'm going to ask that you check out this book, it's called the Bible, to figure out why that your statement of "...you killed the poor bastard on it..." is false.<br /><br />Look here's the deal as I'm sure Keith doesn't want two atheists debating whether people should be able to have religious beliefs. I've done my homework, and examined the evidence, and I don't believe in God. Apparently you've reached this conclusion too, Andres. Is it so inconceivable that Keith examined the evidence, did his homework, and with the same mental capacities as us, arrived at the conclusion that there is a God? Why would you want to deny him the ability to figure out how the world works on his own and share his views on that? How does this threaten you? I mean the truth is an unintelligent being wouldn't believe in God, or science, or anything like that. He wouldn't even think about it because he wouldn't need a reason or rational for why his world is the way it is, he'd just accept it.LampshadeManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02581194709626935976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005242.post-81838344888644484412010-07-07T22:55:58.039-05:002010-07-07T22:55:58.039-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.LampshadeManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02581194709626935976noreply@blogger.com